Just want to say that the idea that only ‘alts’ could possibly understand a review of arcade fire is dumb & offensive redstate-bluestate bullshit. My parents could read & understand a arcade fire review … defining ‘alt’ as anyone who reads is this new weird trend that is really obnoxious
i guess even talking about this bs is obnoxious so thats all i have to say
David, I may have quoted a confusingly brief excerpt. Raptoravatar isn’t saying, as you summarized, “only alts could possibly understand a review of Arcade Fire”; he’s literally asking, “How [i.e., in what way] does a non-alt read an Arcade Fire review? Don’t you have to be alt on some level to even identify with this music?” If your parents happen to identify with Arcade Fire, that’s cool, but they must be very different from my parents, and I don’t think that has anything to do with red states or blue states. (To your point, though, my parents don’t understand half of what I write, for any of my jobs, and they’re otherwise voracious readers— hey, people have different interests, right? How, exactly, would this offend you? I’m confused— like, please don’t just throw around the word “offensive” unless you’re actually offended, you know?)
Like, my wife has pointed out that hardly anybody (if anyone) working at her school has ever heard of Pitchfork. And that was often the case when she worked in New York, too. This is a TINY bubble we’re living in.
no i read the original piece — & ‘dont you have to be an alt on some level to identify with the music’ is exactly what im talking about… hes defining ‘alt’ so broadly as to be meaningless. arcade fire sold how many records to how many NPR listeners? being alt is just anyone who is culturally connected & can pick up a newspaper? … arcade fire is being covered across the country. what about their music is so impossible to translate? i havent even listened to this record but it seems to me theres this weird elitism about the bubble implicit in what hes saying, like … why would ma & pa have a use for rock criticism? enforcing the bubble instead of communicating ideas to a broad audience (And incidently my redstate-bluestate comparison was more about his rhetoric with respect to that than any comparison to actual political positions)
If he just means, ‘dont you have to aspire to recognize aesthetic value’ to appreciate AF then ‘alt’ is way too narrow.
I should also mention that I think you guys are being really reductive if not outright disingenuous about Nick’s point when u suggest hes arguing that music critics should be writing about the technical details of music, the kind of stuff that requires ‘musical training.’ imo hes talking about a bigger-picture conceptual thing, like looking at what effects the music has on the listener & why those things work that way.
As far as MY rhetoric, imo reading music writing about Arcade Fire is way more interesting when ppl are offended & etc.